it's no joke,Tuco.It's a rope
2003-11-18 09:21:10 UTC
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00105.htm
Part 1 in a 5 part series
Interviews by Jay Shaft
Coalition For Free Thought In Media
12th October 2003
I had the unique opportunity to interview five US military servicemen
who just got back from Iraq, or in the case of two men, corresponded
with their wives so that I could ask questions of these soldiers by
mail. When the two I corresponded with came back just last week, I was
able to complete the interviews I started several months ago with some
new details on how the war is actually going.
I was shocked and angered when I found out how many of the service men
hate being in Iraq and want nothing to do with rebuilding and policing
the devastated nation. From the conversations I had, many soldiers
never wanted to go over to Iraq and fight, and the ones who had were
now convinced of the awful crime that had been committed against Iraq
and our own troops. I was told very few soldiers now believe in
staying in Iraq, or want to stay in the country and serve any more
days.
The following interview was with an enlisted man, but someone very
high up in the enlisted ranks, with over 20 years of military service.
I have promised not to reveal his identity for reasons that he has a
family and has been told not to speak to journalists. He told me the
Army had put a gag order on him while he was home, and told him they
would give him twenty years in prison if he spoke out in any manner
against the US or the government.
I took several weeks to finish this interview because of not being
able to safely be seen with this individual out of his fears of being
caught speaking out.
He asked me to call him USA in all the transcripts of these
interviews. I have followed his wishes and tried to write what he said
in the manner it was said so as not to lose any impact. At times the
interview was very rough and the grammar is not perfect, but I tried
to write this in his voice so that he can tell the world how bad it is
in Iraq. I truly want you to feel what he has experienced in some way
if possible.
CFTM-- "How are you today? Resting I hope?"
USA-- "Can't sleep for sh..t and I have horrible nightmares when I do
sleep. I might be lucky to catch an hour at a time before the
nightmares wake me up. I slept easier in the combat then now that I'm
away from there. Most awful place I've ever been or served duty and I
didn't want to leave my guys. That was the hardest part was leaving
the guys I had been leading around and trying to keep out of trouble
and alive."
CFTM-- "Did you see a lot of your buddies get killed? How did it
affect you?"
USA-- "How the hell do you think it affected me? I saw over 30 of the
men I had to keep safe die, and over 100 get wounded and not come
back. I still don't know if some of the wounded men made it or not. I
was never told before I came back home."
CFTM-- "So it really was awful and as bad as some returning troops
have claimed?"
USA-- "It was like a long trip to hell that you knew you might return
from. Of course it is as bad as the soldiers say it is. Hell it's even
worse if the truth has to come out. It's a constant fu..ing nightmare
trying to figure out where the guerillas are going to hit, how to keep
the civilians calm, and also getting enough water and food to eat.
That is one thing the media never really told the Americans about, how
bad it was when our convoys weren't getting through. We had to go to
some Iraqi people and trade socks and underwear for some food and a
little water."
CFTM-- "You really did get that desperate because I saw it in the
foreign media that the Iraqi civilians had stepped in and fed a whole
bunch of troops that had been days without food."
USA-- -"Yeah, that ain't no joke about getting help from the civilians
right after the invasion. We had a pretty good laugh about that and
how the army owed them some money for reimbursement. We would not have
starved probably, but when we got the food from the people it made
sure we could still operate as a functioning unit. It was a near thing
that several guys almost died of dehydration because we ran out of
clean water for a few days."
CFTM-- "Just keep going, I want to hear more about the hardships the
military and Bush made you go through. I want the American people to
know what a nightmare this war has become and what it's doing to our
service men over there."
USA-- "Okay, well I can bitch about the problems like food being short
and water going bad, but I want to tell people about how bad the
attacks on US and coalition forces have gotten in the last month. In
the last two weeks I was there we were attacked at least 20 times a
day if you count all the shots we heard from random sniper or
opportunity attacks. We were losing at least five men a day to
injuries and there was at least one of our unit killed every twenty
four hours."
CFTM-- -"So you were getting one a day killed and at least five
injured? Did you know many of the guys killed?"
USA-- -"That's a real dumb fu..ing question to ask me. You know what
my rank is, of course I knew them, I was the head NCO for years in our
unit. I knew most of the guys who died and I held a lot of hands as
they were dying. You tell me that's not gonna to give you nightmares!"
"I had one guy tell me all he wanted was to see his little daughter;
she was born three days after the war started. He died in the sand
holding my hand and crying because his daughter would never know him.
Tell me that's fu..ing right. Where was George Bush when this kid was
gasping for air and spitting his blood on foreign soil?"
CFTM-- -"I talked to you about this the other day. Do you think George
Bush is the wrong man to order troops into battle when he ducked it
himself?"
USA-- -"That asshole went AWOL and never showed up for duty and then
he has the nerve to take us into two different wars that will be going
on for years. I do not believe he should be president of this country,
he's a complete idiot and he's controlled by madmen with a drive for
only profits and getting oil."
CFTM-- -"I just have to get this straight for the public, you are well
educated are you not? I mean you have had years of leadership training
and schools right? You sound very well informed and aware of the
current lies and manipulations, which I have not found in some other
soldiers."
USA-- -"I have a four year degree in the economics field and I am not
a soldier all the time. I am Reservist who just keeps getting caught
on long duty assignments. Believe it or not I read authors like Noam
Chomsky, Gore Vidal, and Jim Hightower, and went through three copies
of Stupid White Men' by Michael Moore while I was over there. I let
people read parts of Mike's book and they were irate that Bush had
screwed us so hard. I had parts of Best Democracy Money Can Buy'
mailed to me because I knew if I had the whole book it would get
stolen in a heartbeat."
CFTM-- -"So you might be quite a bit more aware and well informed
about the real reasons for the war that others did not know. I don't
know of many line soldiers reading Greg Palast or Noam Chomsky."
USA-- -"I guess you're right and that might be why I am trying to
speak out and let the Americans know that they are sending us to be
slaughtered. If you don't mind I am going to cut through all the
niceties and get down to why I am going against every oath I took and
giving you this interview. I am doing it for the guys still over there
and for the ones who are going. If I'm not careful I'll end up back
there for another six months."
CFTM-- -"Alright tell me what it was really like and don't skip the
gory details. I want people to be shocked and offended enough to
realize why you spoke out and what it is doing to our military by
sending them over there with blind flag waving and cheers of false
victory"
USA-- -"Well the first thing I would like to thank Bush, Cheney,
Rumsfeld, and Congress for is that nice huge cut they made to Veterans
Benefits as soon as the war started. I am in the Reserves after years
of active duty and now I cannot get PTSD counseling or many medical
benefits I used to take for granted. I knew I would have the benefits
because I was laying my life down for my country. Now my benefits are
cut by around 2/3 and I have to go to either group therapy or pay for
a private counselor out of my own pocket. What happens when someone
like me has been through enormous battle stress and combat fatigue and
then comes home to no counseling?"
"I'll tell you what is going to happen, he will either kill himself or
take a bunch of people with him. Some of the guys coming back are
going to have gone through the worst time of their lives with their
buddies dying and getting hurt, and then they'll find out they got
screwed out of any counseling. It is the greatest disservice America
is committing against soldiers who fought for this country and may
come back wounded or horribly scarred. Medical services, school aid to
dependents, school aid for the vets, all slashed to the bare bones;
mental health and drug and alcohol counseling are being eliminated or
the waiting lists will be years long for whatever services manage to
survive."
"That is one thing the American people still have not really caught on
to is the fact that while they were screaming out Support Our Troops'
the current regime makers were fu..ing the military and veterans out
of almost every social program and non essential service that would
make life easier."
"Bush really fu..ked us while we were gone. We found out about after
being in the middle of heavy fighting for several weeks. It was one of
the first things I read in Stars and Stripes, and I thought it was a
joke because it was just to hard to believe Congress and our leaders
would screw us that bad while we were fighting and dying."
CFTM-- -"Glad you brought that up about counseling because I wasn't
even aware of it. Are you alright to talk about some of the civilian
casualties you witnessed and some of the horrifying images you told me
about when we first started talking?"
USA-- -"I want to talk about some of the children I saw killed for no
reason, maybe it will wake someone up who doesn't believe it was
happening, or that it was very bad. I can tell you I will never forget
the screams of the wounded or orphaned kids, or the wailing of the
parents who lost their kids. The Iraqis and most Muslims have a very
vocal way of mourning the dead by lamenting and wailing for the dead.
There is no mistaking a mother or father crying out in pain for the
loss of a child. They don't cry like that unless there has been a
death. Sometimes after a bombing raid or an artillery attack you could
here hundreds of people wiling and weeping."
"I have several grown children with grand kids about the age of most
of the dead children I saw in Iraq. I also have several kids who are
about half grown and I saw a lot of Iraqi children that age wandering
around in charge of three or four little ones because their parents
were dead."
"Let me tell you about the cluster bomb raid we saw wipe out a whole
bunch of little kids. It looked like they had already lost their
parents and were trying to salvage food from a destroyed Iraqi convoy
by the side of the road we were on. The kids were way off to the side
about half a mile away by then when we got the word that the Iraqi
column was going to be hit with cluster bombs and we had to clear the
area. We got on the radio and tried to get the air strike stopped but
we were told it was too late to get it stopped."
"We could see the body parts flying up into the air after the bombs
hit. It was terrible and we could not do a damn thing but watch it
happen and scream into the radio at the dumb sh.t pilot that was
dropping the bombs. After the strike was over we went to see if there
were any survivors and all we found was bits and pieces of little kids
and here and there an arm or leg you could still identify."
CFTM-- -"Pretty rough stuff to have to see. Did that kind of thing
happen a lot?"
USA-- -"More than you can imagine until you've seen it over and over
again. Man I don't want to talk about this sh.t anymore. It doesn't
help to talk about it because it just makes me think about it again. I
can't even get any counseling without having to pay for it."
"Let all those people who support our troops in on that nice surprise
that Bush gave us. That's how much we really mean to Bush, the
Department of Defense and all those other stupid assholes who keep
saying how good we're doing over there. Let those patriotic morons go
and fight and die for our country. Let them leave their families
behind for months and maybe come back home in a box. I'll be the first
one to salute them or honor them when they die."
"It's just like Nam was in the beginning. I was twelve when my dad got
back and I'll never forget the pain and agony he lived with the rest
of his life. Its kind of what I feel now, I suppose. I never thought I
would ever serve in some stuff that's so much like Nam it isn't funny.
Now I really see what my pop went through, and if I could I would go
back in the past a few months, I would go AWOL or turn conscientious
objector on them, but it's too late for that now."
"I damn sure will not go back over there even if they throw me in
Leavenworth. I never could understand how a guy could be a
conscientious objector until what I just went through. I wish more
guys would stand up and tell Bush and the Pentagon they will not fight
their war for oil. We should not have to die for these rich bastards
profits and enrichment."
CFTM-- -"Thank you for taking the risk and talking to me. I know there
will be other soldiers who can't speak out who will thank you for
having the courage."
USA-- -"It isn't about courage it's a matter of what's right. This war
is killing the poor or middle class American men and women who went in
the armed forces to have college or some kind of better future. You
don't see the rich kids joining up or any Senator's kid dying in Iraq.
It's us little guys who are dying over there or getting disabled for
life. Where are the leaders that are supposed to be looking out for
the little man? They are elected to look after out interests not the
interests of Cheney and Halliburton, or any of the rest of the fat
cats piling up the profits while the blood of our soldiers flows over
their hands."
CFTM-- -"Anything else you want to say to America? Any final thoughts
or words?"
USA-- -"Yeah! Wake up America! Your sons and daughters are dying for
nothing! This war is not about freedom or stopping terrorism. Bring us
home now! We are dying for oil and corporate greed!"
*********
Part 1 in a 5 part series
Interviews by Jay Shaft
Coalition For Free Thought In Media
12th October 2003
I had the unique opportunity to interview five US military servicemen
who just got back from Iraq, or in the case of two men, corresponded
with their wives so that I could ask questions of these soldiers by
mail. When the two I corresponded with came back just last week, I was
able to complete the interviews I started several months ago with some
new details on how the war is actually going.
I was shocked and angered when I found out how many of the service men
hate being in Iraq and want nothing to do with rebuilding and policing
the devastated nation. From the conversations I had, many soldiers
never wanted to go over to Iraq and fight, and the ones who had were
now convinced of the awful crime that had been committed against Iraq
and our own troops. I was told very few soldiers now believe in
staying in Iraq, or want to stay in the country and serve any more
days.
The following interview was with an enlisted man, but someone very
high up in the enlisted ranks, with over 20 years of military service.
I have promised not to reveal his identity for reasons that he has a
family and has been told not to speak to journalists. He told me the
Army had put a gag order on him while he was home, and told him they
would give him twenty years in prison if he spoke out in any manner
against the US or the government.
I took several weeks to finish this interview because of not being
able to safely be seen with this individual out of his fears of being
caught speaking out.
He asked me to call him USA in all the transcripts of these
interviews. I have followed his wishes and tried to write what he said
in the manner it was said so as not to lose any impact. At times the
interview was very rough and the grammar is not perfect, but I tried
to write this in his voice so that he can tell the world how bad it is
in Iraq. I truly want you to feel what he has experienced in some way
if possible.
CFTM-- "How are you today? Resting I hope?"
USA-- "Can't sleep for sh..t and I have horrible nightmares when I do
sleep. I might be lucky to catch an hour at a time before the
nightmares wake me up. I slept easier in the combat then now that I'm
away from there. Most awful place I've ever been or served duty and I
didn't want to leave my guys. That was the hardest part was leaving
the guys I had been leading around and trying to keep out of trouble
and alive."
CFTM-- "Did you see a lot of your buddies get killed? How did it
affect you?"
USA-- "How the hell do you think it affected me? I saw over 30 of the
men I had to keep safe die, and over 100 get wounded and not come
back. I still don't know if some of the wounded men made it or not. I
was never told before I came back home."
CFTM-- "So it really was awful and as bad as some returning troops
have claimed?"
USA-- "It was like a long trip to hell that you knew you might return
from. Of course it is as bad as the soldiers say it is. Hell it's even
worse if the truth has to come out. It's a constant fu..ing nightmare
trying to figure out where the guerillas are going to hit, how to keep
the civilians calm, and also getting enough water and food to eat.
That is one thing the media never really told the Americans about, how
bad it was when our convoys weren't getting through. We had to go to
some Iraqi people and trade socks and underwear for some food and a
little water."
CFTM-- "You really did get that desperate because I saw it in the
foreign media that the Iraqi civilians had stepped in and fed a whole
bunch of troops that had been days without food."
USA-- -"Yeah, that ain't no joke about getting help from the civilians
right after the invasion. We had a pretty good laugh about that and
how the army owed them some money for reimbursement. We would not have
starved probably, but when we got the food from the people it made
sure we could still operate as a functioning unit. It was a near thing
that several guys almost died of dehydration because we ran out of
clean water for a few days."
CFTM-- "Just keep going, I want to hear more about the hardships the
military and Bush made you go through. I want the American people to
know what a nightmare this war has become and what it's doing to our
service men over there."
USA-- "Okay, well I can bitch about the problems like food being short
and water going bad, but I want to tell people about how bad the
attacks on US and coalition forces have gotten in the last month. In
the last two weeks I was there we were attacked at least 20 times a
day if you count all the shots we heard from random sniper or
opportunity attacks. We were losing at least five men a day to
injuries and there was at least one of our unit killed every twenty
four hours."
CFTM-- -"So you were getting one a day killed and at least five
injured? Did you know many of the guys killed?"
USA-- -"That's a real dumb fu..ing question to ask me. You know what
my rank is, of course I knew them, I was the head NCO for years in our
unit. I knew most of the guys who died and I held a lot of hands as
they were dying. You tell me that's not gonna to give you nightmares!"
"I had one guy tell me all he wanted was to see his little daughter;
she was born three days after the war started. He died in the sand
holding my hand and crying because his daughter would never know him.
Tell me that's fu..ing right. Where was George Bush when this kid was
gasping for air and spitting his blood on foreign soil?"
CFTM-- -"I talked to you about this the other day. Do you think George
Bush is the wrong man to order troops into battle when he ducked it
himself?"
USA-- -"That asshole went AWOL and never showed up for duty and then
he has the nerve to take us into two different wars that will be going
on for years. I do not believe he should be president of this country,
he's a complete idiot and he's controlled by madmen with a drive for
only profits and getting oil."
CFTM-- -"I just have to get this straight for the public, you are well
educated are you not? I mean you have had years of leadership training
and schools right? You sound very well informed and aware of the
current lies and manipulations, which I have not found in some other
soldiers."
USA-- -"I have a four year degree in the economics field and I am not
a soldier all the time. I am Reservist who just keeps getting caught
on long duty assignments. Believe it or not I read authors like Noam
Chomsky, Gore Vidal, and Jim Hightower, and went through three copies
of Stupid White Men' by Michael Moore while I was over there. I let
people read parts of Mike's book and they were irate that Bush had
screwed us so hard. I had parts of Best Democracy Money Can Buy'
mailed to me because I knew if I had the whole book it would get
stolen in a heartbeat."
CFTM-- -"So you might be quite a bit more aware and well informed
about the real reasons for the war that others did not know. I don't
know of many line soldiers reading Greg Palast or Noam Chomsky."
USA-- -"I guess you're right and that might be why I am trying to
speak out and let the Americans know that they are sending us to be
slaughtered. If you don't mind I am going to cut through all the
niceties and get down to why I am going against every oath I took and
giving you this interview. I am doing it for the guys still over there
and for the ones who are going. If I'm not careful I'll end up back
there for another six months."
CFTM-- -"Alright tell me what it was really like and don't skip the
gory details. I want people to be shocked and offended enough to
realize why you spoke out and what it is doing to our military by
sending them over there with blind flag waving and cheers of false
victory"
USA-- -"Well the first thing I would like to thank Bush, Cheney,
Rumsfeld, and Congress for is that nice huge cut they made to Veterans
Benefits as soon as the war started. I am in the Reserves after years
of active duty and now I cannot get PTSD counseling or many medical
benefits I used to take for granted. I knew I would have the benefits
because I was laying my life down for my country. Now my benefits are
cut by around 2/3 and I have to go to either group therapy or pay for
a private counselor out of my own pocket. What happens when someone
like me has been through enormous battle stress and combat fatigue and
then comes home to no counseling?"
"I'll tell you what is going to happen, he will either kill himself or
take a bunch of people with him. Some of the guys coming back are
going to have gone through the worst time of their lives with their
buddies dying and getting hurt, and then they'll find out they got
screwed out of any counseling. It is the greatest disservice America
is committing against soldiers who fought for this country and may
come back wounded or horribly scarred. Medical services, school aid to
dependents, school aid for the vets, all slashed to the bare bones;
mental health and drug and alcohol counseling are being eliminated or
the waiting lists will be years long for whatever services manage to
survive."
"That is one thing the American people still have not really caught on
to is the fact that while they were screaming out Support Our Troops'
the current regime makers were fu..ing the military and veterans out
of almost every social program and non essential service that would
make life easier."
"Bush really fu..ked us while we were gone. We found out about after
being in the middle of heavy fighting for several weeks. It was one of
the first things I read in Stars and Stripes, and I thought it was a
joke because it was just to hard to believe Congress and our leaders
would screw us that bad while we were fighting and dying."
CFTM-- -"Glad you brought that up about counseling because I wasn't
even aware of it. Are you alright to talk about some of the civilian
casualties you witnessed and some of the horrifying images you told me
about when we first started talking?"
USA-- -"I want to talk about some of the children I saw killed for no
reason, maybe it will wake someone up who doesn't believe it was
happening, or that it was very bad. I can tell you I will never forget
the screams of the wounded or orphaned kids, or the wailing of the
parents who lost their kids. The Iraqis and most Muslims have a very
vocal way of mourning the dead by lamenting and wailing for the dead.
There is no mistaking a mother or father crying out in pain for the
loss of a child. They don't cry like that unless there has been a
death. Sometimes after a bombing raid or an artillery attack you could
here hundreds of people wiling and weeping."
"I have several grown children with grand kids about the age of most
of the dead children I saw in Iraq. I also have several kids who are
about half grown and I saw a lot of Iraqi children that age wandering
around in charge of three or four little ones because their parents
were dead."
"Let me tell you about the cluster bomb raid we saw wipe out a whole
bunch of little kids. It looked like they had already lost their
parents and were trying to salvage food from a destroyed Iraqi convoy
by the side of the road we were on. The kids were way off to the side
about half a mile away by then when we got the word that the Iraqi
column was going to be hit with cluster bombs and we had to clear the
area. We got on the radio and tried to get the air strike stopped but
we were told it was too late to get it stopped."
"We could see the body parts flying up into the air after the bombs
hit. It was terrible and we could not do a damn thing but watch it
happen and scream into the radio at the dumb sh.t pilot that was
dropping the bombs. After the strike was over we went to see if there
were any survivors and all we found was bits and pieces of little kids
and here and there an arm or leg you could still identify."
CFTM-- -"Pretty rough stuff to have to see. Did that kind of thing
happen a lot?"
USA-- -"More than you can imagine until you've seen it over and over
again. Man I don't want to talk about this sh.t anymore. It doesn't
help to talk about it because it just makes me think about it again. I
can't even get any counseling without having to pay for it."
"Let all those people who support our troops in on that nice surprise
that Bush gave us. That's how much we really mean to Bush, the
Department of Defense and all those other stupid assholes who keep
saying how good we're doing over there. Let those patriotic morons go
and fight and die for our country. Let them leave their families
behind for months and maybe come back home in a box. I'll be the first
one to salute them or honor them when they die."
"It's just like Nam was in the beginning. I was twelve when my dad got
back and I'll never forget the pain and agony he lived with the rest
of his life. Its kind of what I feel now, I suppose. I never thought I
would ever serve in some stuff that's so much like Nam it isn't funny.
Now I really see what my pop went through, and if I could I would go
back in the past a few months, I would go AWOL or turn conscientious
objector on them, but it's too late for that now."
"I damn sure will not go back over there even if they throw me in
Leavenworth. I never could understand how a guy could be a
conscientious objector until what I just went through. I wish more
guys would stand up and tell Bush and the Pentagon they will not fight
their war for oil. We should not have to die for these rich bastards
profits and enrichment."
CFTM-- -"Thank you for taking the risk and talking to me. I know there
will be other soldiers who can't speak out who will thank you for
having the courage."
USA-- -"It isn't about courage it's a matter of what's right. This war
is killing the poor or middle class American men and women who went in
the armed forces to have college or some kind of better future. You
don't see the rich kids joining up or any Senator's kid dying in Iraq.
It's us little guys who are dying over there or getting disabled for
life. Where are the leaders that are supposed to be looking out for
the little man? They are elected to look after out interests not the
interests of Cheney and Halliburton, or any of the rest of the fat
cats piling up the profits while the blood of our soldiers flows over
their hands."
CFTM-- -"Anything else you want to say to America? Any final thoughts
or words?"
USA-- -"Yeah! Wake up America! Your sons and daughters are dying for
nothing! This war is not about freedom or stopping terrorism. Bring us
home now! We are dying for oil and corporate greed!"
*********